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	<title>Comments on: The BC NDP was for the carbon tax before they were against it</title>
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	<description>It&#039;s turtles all the way down</description>
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		<title>By: ScruffyDan</title>
		<link>http://mind.ofdan.ca/?p=2289#comment-70441</link>
		<dc:creator>ScruffyDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is an assumption, but so was your statement that we need cap and trade if we wish to avoid tariffs from the US.  And given what the Obama administration has actually said my assumption seems more reasonable than yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is an assumption, but so was your statement that we need cap and trade if we wish to avoid tariffs from the US.  And given what the Obama administration has actually said my assumption seems more reasonable than yours.</p>
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		<title>By: quimby</title>
		<link>http://mind.ofdan.ca/?p=2289#comment-70440</link>
		<dc:creator>quimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is just a crazy assumption.</description>
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		<title>By: ScruffyDan</title>
		<link>http://mind.ofdan.ca/?p=2289#comment-70431</link>
		<dc:creator>ScruffyDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ quimby

There is no reason why we can&#039;t implement a carbon tax, and continue to trade with the US after they implement their cap and trade system.

The trade tariffs that were talked about (though still a long way from reality) by the Obama administration, were to insulate American industry from foreign industry not subjected to carbon pricing.

Given that the BC Liberal plan does a much better job of carbon pricing than the BC NDP plan, it is far more likely (but still ultimately unlikely, as that would likely depend more on what happens at the federal level) that the Obama administration will impose trade tariffs if we adopt the BC NDP plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ quimby</p>
<p>There is no reason why we can&#8217;t implement a carbon tax, and continue to trade with the US after they implement their cap and trade system.</p>
<p>The trade tariffs that were talked about (though still a long way from reality) by the Obama administration, were to insulate American industry from foreign industry not subjected to carbon pricing.</p>
<p>Given that the BC Liberal plan does a much better job of carbon pricing than the BC NDP plan, it is far more likely (but still ultimately unlikely, as that would likely depend more on what happens at the federal level) that the Obama administration will impose trade tariffs if we adopt the BC NDP plan.</p>
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		<title>By: quimby</title>
		<link>http://mind.ofdan.ca/?p=2289#comment-70419</link>
		<dc:creator>quimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NDP has seen the light that a consumption tax is too harmful to the economy and those with less.  Not to mention, that the USA is bringing in a cap and trade program with carbon tariffs. If we wish to continue trading with them, we need to be a part of it. This is the NDP&#039;s outlook.

As for the Liberals, the only environmental policy that they have is the gas tax and it is not very green.  Otherwise, they are fully in favour of polluting the province for profit. As the Premier displayed on a recent trip to the NE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NDP has seen the light that a consumption tax is too harmful to the economy and those with less.  Not to mention, that the USA is bringing in a cap and trade program with carbon tariffs. If we wish to continue trading with them, we need to be a part of it. This is the NDP&#8217;s outlook.</p>
<p>As for the Liberals, the only environmental policy that they have is the gas tax and it is not very green.  Otherwise, they are fully in favour of polluting the province for profit. As the Premier displayed on a recent trip to the NE.</p>
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		<title>By: Oemissions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oemissions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Troy!</description>
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		<title>By: Troy Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really uninspired by the politicking by the BC NDP on the carbon tax. I&#039;m also angry with the BC Liberals. For the length of time they&#039;ve had this tax, they&#039;ve done what, exactly? The tax itself is the most ambitious plan they&#039;ve had, and bothered to present.

I&#039;d rather our political parties speak about the ideas they have which would actually show our neighbours how to approach climate change. Carbon taxes and cap and trade programs do not work without actual concrete and ambitious goals.

Hell, I&#039;m so damn disillusioned by the entire political process that I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that a goal like being a green province is actually a completely radical departure from the normal political theatre. It&#039;s not reform we&#039;re speaking of here - it&#039;s revolution. A complete overturning of the carbon-based economy, which there are actually few political parties willing to champion.

A &#039;carbon tax&#039; and &#039;cap and trade&#039; are actually far too conservative ideas.

Standing behind one as the solution is a betrayal of principles, because we then become anchored to it, and politically marginalized. We cannot compromise.

We need to give these pols hell, because the hell we&#039;ll get by our inaction is a frightening prospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really uninspired by the politicking by the BC NDP on the carbon tax. I&#8217;m also angry with the BC Liberals. For the length of time they&#8217;ve had this tax, they&#8217;ve done what, exactly? The tax itself is the most ambitious plan they&#8217;ve had, and bothered to present.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather our political parties speak about the ideas they have which would actually show our neighbours how to approach climate change. Carbon taxes and cap and trade programs do not work without actual concrete and ambitious goals.</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;m so damn disillusioned by the entire political process that I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that a goal like being a green province is actually a completely radical departure from the normal political theatre. It&#8217;s not reform we&#8217;re speaking of here &#8211; it&#8217;s revolution. A complete overturning of the carbon-based economy, which there are actually few political parties willing to champion.</p>
<p>A &#8216;carbon tax&#8217; and &#8216;cap and trade&#8217; are actually far too conservative ideas.</p>
<p>Standing behind one as the solution is a betrayal of principles, because we then become anchored to it, and politically marginalized. We cannot compromise.</p>
<p>We need to give these pols hell, because the hell we&#8217;ll get by our inaction is a frightening prospect.</p>
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